The Path To Cure – The Whole Art of Healing Autism – Open Q&A session

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Jeff Korentayer: Hey there, Allyson McQuinn.

Jeff Korentayer: Greetings to you, Allyson McQuinn.

Allyson McQuinn: Greetings to you, Jeff Korentayer. How are you?

Jeff Korentayer: I’m doing very well. Thank you so much.

Allyson McQuinn: We’re meeting so often this way that I’m thinking this is considered dating now.

Jeff Korentayer: Well, this is like a new room in our house practice. Our topic today is on a great book that you wrote a few few years back now the past to cure the whole art of healing autism. And why don’t well, it’s your book. Why don’t you give us a little bit of the story. I know we’ve, we’ve kind of talked about it in different ways. But yeah, there’s always something new to discover. It’s such a great story.

Allyson McQuinn: Well, it was back, Gosh, 27 28 years ago now. And I was working as a financial advisor with the federal government and I gave birth to a son who was two months premature, and I won’t go into the reasons for that. But I figured out why afterwards. My health was just not what it should be. I suffered a lot of pain, fibromyalgia, what I was diagnosed with and lots of issues with regards to in my on my scalp, we call it sore, but those very you know, psoriasis in a in just on speed, it was horrible. My whole scalp broken out and just how was having autoimmune implosions and I just had no clue. I mean, people have symptoms all the time. So it never occurred to me that I needed to do anything about it. And the doctors just kept giving me this stuff to put on them, you know, open sores on my head. And, yeah, the fibromyalgia doctor just said, you know, exercise and he wanted to qualify me for the same medication about $15,000 a year worth of medication, which is the same as what they use for people that suffer lupus. And I thought, well, it just seems like not a really good road to go down. So then I gave birth to my son. And of course, surprise, surprise is a whole myriad of issues. born two months premature, which we know is my microbiome was a disaster. It suffered all kinds of chronic infections as a kid, kidney infections, bladder infections, and then yeast issues off the charts. And so ya know, they just kept giving me statin drugs and, and all kinds of antibiotics. And of course, when I went to have a baby, my whole microbiome ecology was a, an extreme disaster. So Jordan popped out two months premature by C section because he was in distress with 180 beats per minute. We delayed vaccines, it never occurred to me not to get them that would just be negligent on my behalf. And so we waited till 15 months instead of 12 months, we kind of corrected his age a little bit and gave him the MMR and he lost all speech and eye contact within about six weeks, then the chronic constipation issues started and he was only passing stool once every two weeks, which was just devastating. For him. He was in a lot of pain all the time. We spent hours sitting on the bathroom floor. While he tried to pass stool. I took him to the hospital seven times and in an emergency capacity because he was in so much pain, I didn’t know what else to do, to gave him milk and molasses enemas, and once put them under general anaesthetic to remove the impacted stool manually. So you can kind of imagine our life was a living hell, he had a lot of rages because he was extremely toxic, you wouldn’t be anything for him to just haul off and, you know, slap me across the face or hit me or punch me or kick me and, you know, that was just normal behavior. He had some weird stuff that was showing up with regards to lining up little toys. He was a control freak, like just not a normal kid at all. And we really didn’t know what to call this. They weren’t labeling these types of behaviors back then at all, Jeff so they they really didn’t say Oh, this child’s in this spectrum because that wasn’t even In a term huge that was before that was happening. And so I felt very alone and isolated and super scared. And I knew somehow I was culpable. And I took them to a whole bunch of therapists, I went to Home a homeopath. We get a little distance and things would clear up a certain degree. And then all the symptoms would just come rushing back again, chiropractic, energy workers, I mean, you name it. We did it was throwing 1000s of dollars in therapies trying to resolve. And it was really three people in one week said, you know, Ali, you really should go and see the verse spores there at the Hahnemann college for Heilkunst. And there seemed to be doing homeopathy different. And I’m just like, oh, for the love of God, like, really doesn’t matter what I’m going to throw at it next. And another woowoo therapy isn’t going to, you know, make a difference. But if three people mentioned in a week, I’ll just, you know, give it a try. What’s another 1000 $2,000? And so just kind of resigned and fed up beyond words. And so I was already researching it a library by that time, because I figured, you know, with a classical homeopath, it wouldn’t work at all if there was nothing to it. And so I was doing quite a bit of research at the time, but nothing was really yielding I wasn’t getting, like a fundamental, fundamental answers as to principles or logic or rationale is just like, oh, well try these remedies, which sounded a lot like try these drugs. To me, it was just a different flavor of the month to Patti Smith at the Hahnemann college really guided us and assured me that things were going to turn around. Okay, yeah, you’re not the only one to say that. And sure enough, within two, three months, Jordan had some amazing high fevers and started to speak me. I tell you, when your five year old child slams a door in your face and says, I need my privacy, I slid down the wall. And I remember looking in the mirror and just watching my face crumble and I sobbed with three leaves thinking, Oh, my God, like are we really here, you know, like, is he passing stool on his own, and he’s actually starting to regain some of this capacities lost after birth. And so I still can’t believe like the turnaround and that we are able to consistently provide this past a cure to other families for which we have many testimonials on our website. So that in a nutshell, really is Jordan’s story. And then I decided to undergo Patti said to me, you know, Jordan is only going to get us to a certain distance if you don’t also undergo Heilkunst treatment. I’m like, alright, well, certainly, this was a one off for my son, and what could it possibly do for me and a claret course my psoriasis got a ton worse before it got better. And, you know, a lot of bleeding and open weeping sores, and oh, my gosh, it was just a shitshow too. And, you know, lots of bladder and yeast issues, but then things just started to lessen and lessen and lessen. And they got progressively better. And I went straight into the face of a lot of my childhood trauma, you know, my mother’s suicide and my father dying of a heart attack at the age of 43, when I was 17. And there was a huge amount of trauma in with the wrong crowd and university, a lot of alcohol, you know, drug use and everything else. And I had to go back and face all of those traumas one by one, which was didn’t seem like a good time to me at all. And it wasn’t, it was super hard. And that’s what I write about in the path to cure when I was going through my own process. I really commiserated with, you know, for Jordan, walking back out all of his pathology as a result of the vaccines and then the eight genetic miasms that were also plaguing him. So I can’t say Heilkunst is a walk in the park. I guess that’s what I needed to grow my ultimate compassion for my own patients 20 years ago when I started serving them, and so you’ll never hear me say, oh, healing reactions are easy, or this path to cure is, you know, a boatload of fun because it’s not but the alternative for me, you know, with the chronic and wild mental illness on that whole side of my mother’s family and then major heart stroke is us on my father’s side, I felt like I didn’t, I was backed into a corner. And I really didn’t have any choice. This was my only portal through and out the every member of my immediate family by many decades now. And so yeah, imagine my surprise, I didn’t expect this outcome at all.

Jeff Korentayer: Yes, and thank you actually, you’ve you’ve really encapsulated you that’s I know, it’s, there’s so much more to living through all that years and all that you capsulated beautifully. And you kind of said it all in a way. But I do want to highlight a couple of the points that really, that you and I this is so kind of old hat in a way to talk about this, these principles of cure and how you can cure a case and like, yeah, that’s our, our daily, in and out of the clinic all everyday kind of work. But yeah, just as I say, I want to highlight some of the points because for anyone who may be watching this, this, this may be kind of a new idea, right? This may be a kind of a new thing. to even think about that, that maybe what was that famous wizard of oz quote, to think of thoughts? I never thought before if you got to that. But But yeah, so So you’ve kind of said it all. But just to flesh out some of the points here. One thing that really jumped out at me today was the way you were you kind of gave your history, you know, prior to children, and some of what was going on in your health and all that. And that I mean, to me that just jumps right out. I know, what we see in case histories and what we’re looking for and everything. But just to kind of bring the point home, that yeah, you you kind of brought into your, your child rearing years, a whole history of your own right medical, drug use and the emotional history and, you know, the some of the uses, like some of the prescriptions you have to have and all these kinds of things. So yeah, through my Heilkunst eyes, I’m just like going Check, check, check and checking all these boxes. Oh, yeah. All the all the things we need to like, you know, I’m just pretending we’re doing your case in real time. Like, it’s just happening right now. Right? And yeah, we have to go and oh, yeah, we’ll have to clear this drug and this, you know, this emotional event, and so on and so on. You know, I see that quite clearly just because we live it every day. But yeah, just to understand why I’m saying all this in this manner is that this is one of the biggest questions, we actually get asked by people who are just at the beginning of starting a treatment plan with us. You know, often we’ve of course, we talked to parents, they want to treat their autistic child, we treat other conditions as well. But the one of the biggest questions is, if it’s, it’s worded in different ways, depending on who’s asking about whether it’s necessary, or whether it’s a good idea for your, for the parents also to be treated. And sometimes it’s not even ask so in such a direct way, but they kind of are talking about some other things, and will actually bring that idea to them. I will it’s kind of like the right time to present it. Because yeah, as you say, you illustrated so beautifully. That yeah, very clearly, that is part of the case. And it’s saying, in autism, you know, that the general spectrum, we do get quite a range of expressions of cases right there, they’re kind of, there’s this kind of a bit of a broad map there, what you can see, but there’s a lot of the same underlying things that are going on. So that’s when we talk about these consistent laws of nature, the laws of cure, and everything we can do, despite every every case being unique and different. And you’ll notice no flakes, like that kind of thing. Doesn’t matter, like it’s, you know, we still the same principles will apply, and you can even unpack it, and get to that path to cure just as long as you you adapt those principles Exactly. To what’s unique in that case. So that’s, and I say that that’s a really big point, you know, because a lot of people they don’t this may be kind of, as I said a minute ago, a very new idea, but to people to even think of the concept of consistent laws of nature and consistent process of how we can cure all the different cases, most likely, you’re coming out of the allopathic system, or just the general medical culture that we all live in the idea that people even subconsciously get this Yeah, there is no such thing as cure, you know, when a success case happens with this modality or that modality or with whatever, people have just been trained to think, Oh, that was a fluke. Or they were lucky. Or, you know, that was a one in a million shot or you know, it’s like it’s like being you can’t be struck by lightning twice kind of idea. It’s like, it’s like yeah, kind of a fluke of nature kind of thing. But no, this this is precisely what I say you this is what You started with with your life and your son and everything, and you live this whole experience. But yeah, this is what we’ve learned. Formally now, you know, through studies and through your 20 plus years of clinical experience with all of this. Yeah, it’s it’s not a fluke. It’s not lucky. It’s not. Well, this family got lucky, because, you know, whatever they hit on the right remedy, or the right nutrient or something. No, it’s not at all it’s there is a path and we can, we can take the case, any case that we get, we can take it down that path, consistently every time and get to that final curative result. Now, the details will be different from case to case, but the principles are not. Right. So that said, just like, as I said, Anyone who, you know, you all the all the combative people on social media, you I don’t know if you’ve ever encountered them on but I seem to have, you know, it’s like you want to tell them at some point? Well, if you want to argue against the laws of nature, why don’t you give me your best argument for why, you know, the law of gravity is bunk. Like, it’s like, why aren’t you arguing that? Okay, so you’re essentially doing the same thing, but you’re just you’ve just kind of, you’re taking your focus out over, over on here, you know, you you happen not to really understand what you’re talking about on here. But, you know, the louder you speak, it seems, you’re gonna feel more important about your arguments or something. Anyways, bla bla, bla bla, I don’t want to, we know, all the trolls are out there on the internet that’s under the law of nature, they’re not going to go so.

Allyson McQuinn: Well, so yeah, I think it’s odd that Yeah, I mean, it’s super interesting. I often say this to patients, you know, the law of gravity, just think of the nuances. You know, I’m a woman of 136 pounds. And, you know, what about a man whose 270 pounds and they stick, we stick to the Earth at the exact same, like in the exact same way without more force bearing down on another when you think about it’s a miracle, you know, and that’s the thing to be able to actually use Bella Donna for child’s fever, for example, right sided you know, they’re waking up at midnight, and this just happened this week, that I prescribed that remedy. And also for a mum with mastitis this week. And same results in both cases are like my son’s earache is completely gone. He’s, you know, the cough is abating. He’s sleeping through the night, you know, the other mom with the mastitis is like, yes, the breast doesn’t read any more. There’s no hot splotches, I mean, it’s an amazing thing to be able to affect cure like that. And no one was more surprised than I was because, you know, it wasn’t even it was four years after studies that I got to clinical still thinking, you know that this is random until like I was because of it’s in the realm of finance and science. So it’s like, cat, there’s no way it’s still that this can be consistent. But we had three women with fourth stage cancer in that clinical and them every single one of them resolved. And so imagine my surprise, and here we are 20 years later, with pages and pages of testimonials on our You can’t deny those results.

Jeff Korentayer: Know Exactly, exactly, yeah. And again, thank you to all the 20 years of the success. The success case isn’t all this, but which is great in itself. But yeah, this this is the point I wish that more people could come to understand was It’s not by chance, or luck, or random fluke, or whatever. It’s yeah, by by following. Now, here’s the thing, too, when I keep talking about the laws of nature, it also this is where the scientific part of it comes into, because the laws of nature are always operating, right? They’re always there, they’re always doing the thing. But until we come along with our scientific rational mind, and apply the appropriate laws of nature to a given case and how that case needs to go through a peering and healing process. It’s until that rational mind comes along that we can actually start to talk the way that we are that oh, yeah, now we can predictably take someone on that path to cure. And we know we know those laws, we know how to go through them. Otherwise, you know, in a sense, what people think about being lucky or, or that kind of thing. In a sense, they’re correct that scientific process is not being you know, is not being enlivened and and activated in a given case in a given kind of clinical setting, then yes, then you are dealing with luck and chance and oh, well, you know, we we just grabbed this this next vitamin off the shelf to see what would happen you know, like trial and error. He’s not science in that sense. So yeah, yeah, there is germ of truth to thinking, you know, it’s all about luck or whatever. But no, you we can definitely go way beyond that realm of chance into that the higher realm of rational principles, which is exactly what we’re talking about here.

Allyson McQuinn: Yeah. So let’s do that, I’m just going to take a moment and go through what I normally go through with a brand new patient after the initial assessment at the initial consultation. And so basically, I just put this map up, this was created by restrictions of Heilkunst. Medicine, you don’t have to pay too close attention to the bubbles. But basically, this is what we call the biological realm, this is the realm that I was really messed up in as well. And so you know, things with regards to the four cardinal points, water, exercise, sleep, and diet are super important. And you might feel in the first initial consult that you’re in the office of a naturopath. And a lot of people will say that and absolutely, we need to make sure that the scaffolding of your health is sound, and that we’re working towards creating a more bolstered organism that can withstand these middle bubbles, which is when we start to D traumatize the individual, of all of their timeline events of emotional and physical shocks and traumas in the order in which they were assumed back to birth, then we get to the eighth genetic miasms. This top bubble is what we call therapeutic education, that feels a lot like counseling, you want to make sure that, let’s say the person comes in with a diagnosis of cancer, which is a disease of resignation, that they are not reproducing this state of mind for the disease matrices. And I find it super interesting, including myself, that I actually ended up with a inch and a half tumor in my left breast. And there’s a correlation between us mum, as of autistic babes, and the cancer Niaz. And we’ve written or, yeah, I think we both written blogs in that realm. exactly about that. Because a child can’t download and autonomous sense of individuality, especially if the mama doesn’t have one. And that’s the nice way of saying that, that’s why the mama has to be treated. Because it is really important that we become the mentors for our babes, especially when they start to be to come out of the spectrum is that we have to be prepared to catch them, and then mentor them to the place that they are actually going in there. ality and sovereignty back to this map now. So just to be clear, what we do is we take a patient like an onion, and we peel the emotional and physical shocks and traumas off in the order in which they were assumed. And then we get to these eight genetic miasms, which are the root causes of all diseases, all chronic diseases. And by resolving them using this map, we consistently get rates of cure up into the high nine days. And so that’s super exciting. And like Jeff says, we’re just following a recipe or not really, and the principles are consistent even though the cases are always different. When we treat children in the spectrum, we generally end up here in the Sonic realm, there are a lot of fears and a lot of terrorists from not downloading one’s ego structure, I mean healthy ego structure on a clear and natural unfolding. So the problem of course ends up being that because there are schisms and blockages and a child from vaccine damage ends up with their lifeforce suppressed, which means that they it gets arrested along the way with certain schisms and that can be genetic miasms contribute contributes to the autistic spectrum issues, along with the insults of the vaccines themselves. And so the problem ends up being that you have to reverse that. Those insults and you have to do it in a proper order that allows you to unlock almost like a set of keys you have to have the proper Keys inserted at the right time. And so what we know is that, you know, by treating the child of their traumas during the course of their lives, maybe the diagnosis than those 79 vaccines before, they’re 17, which, yeah, I could go on about that in great length, then the birth trauma. Now, as we go along, we do treat these eight genetic miasms in their proper order. And what we find, well, we found with Jordan especially is that tuberculosis Venom really helped to resolve the chronic constipation. He was locked away behind ended up being more the syphilitic, genetic miasms and also Lyme. And by curing these particular diseases on the law of nature, like cures like we are then unlock the child’s pathology, because, you know, I remember thinking that I’d see glimmers for sometimes 20 minutes of Jordan’s true self, he would say something and I would just be like, Oh, my God, there he is, there he is, oh, no, he’d slide kind of back down under the pathology again. But when he started to resolve in through this system of Heilkunst, it was like these periods where I actually saw his true essential self just kept staying for longer a longer period of time periods of time, then he’d slide back, but he come back out that much quicker until he held, you know, permanently. And it should, it’s important for me to say that, you know, my son is 20 years of age. He’s been a Bowen practitioner, trampoline, Acrobat, trembling, acrobatic teacher. He’s been, uh, not Tai Chi, what was the modality

Jeff Korentayer: that he, oh, that will come to me in a second. I know what you’re talking about. Yeah.

Allyson McQuinn: So things requiring a lot of hand eye coordination. He’s working now in in computer systems and helping people build websites. Now. I mean, he’s had, you know, girlfriends, and kept many jobs and been a manager and supervisor and his young years. And I mean, he’s just absolutely brilliant. And that’s the thing is that I was worried when he was really little that he would have to be institutionalized. And I didn’t know how I was going to be able to care for him, you know, and what I was going to do after I died, like, these were thoughts I had that were. To me, I didn’t know, you know, really how he was going to survive beyond the time, my time on the planet, because he was severely disabled, and didn’t have the cognitive function at all to be autonomous. And, you know, Jordan hasn’t lived with us for over 1010 years now. So it’s, I’m still amazed at, you know, that we all have our, our independence and autonomy as a result of Hopkins Medicine.

Jeff Korentayer: And so yeah, thank you so much for sharing your your maps. And then I know and we can go into on so much longer about them. There’s a lot of detail there. But yeah, you really gave us a good flavor of that. And that’s part of, you know, our bigger point here today. Is that, yes, we do have the exact principles, the rational principles and all of that. And it is what was that expression? Like nothing like hard work or rolling up your heart sleeves or whatever, I forget exactly the expression but, you know, this idea that the the truth of the principles is there. But yeah, on the on each given case, it’s going to take that rolling up the sleeves to the elbow grease, the work to really apply, and you will tease out exactly what details we need to be paying attention to, as we go from step to step the step by step in each case. Yeah.

Allyson McQuinn: Always take a moment to and because people are like, Oh, why doesn’t everybody do this? And where did it start? And how come the boat was missed? And you know, and it has a lot to do with Big Pharma kind of, you know, cluding really, because there were that all homeopathic hospitals all over the United States at the turn of the last century. You know, Dr. Samuel Hahnemann was born 1755 And my son Germany, and he came about because he was really fed up with the medical system. He is just like, You guys just keep poisoning people with all your bloodletting, cupping and leaching, you know, like, and you destroy the vital force by leaching it out of the human and, you know, people were dying and getting sicker. And so he was like, I can’t do this ethically. any more of this is ridiculous. I don’t even know when to apply what? Sound familiar. And so, you know, now we only have one diagnosis and it starts with a C. Because that’s that’s all they go to medical school for. It seems nowadays, it’s just yeah, it’s the C word for everything. And you know whether you have a cough or cold in the fall or spring, there’s no delineation between tuberculosis or surah. anymore. It’s all the same C word. I’m like, what a waste of money and time, if you only have one diagnosis for everything. So Hahnemann was extremely, like he was the par excellence, observational scientist. And the amazing thing was, was he had given up his medical practice, because he couldn’t do it anymore, given the lack of ethics and spoke, you know, 12 different languages and translated effectively an eight, and he was translating the works from Scottish English into German and notice the use of quinine in the prevention of malaria. And he thought, well, that’s where you can give us substance, like, from the bark of the tree of the chin Shona tree from South America and prevent a disease like, how’s that even possible? And so he actually went on a mission and actually took a dose of quinine himself and made himself extremely sick with lots of nausea and diarrhea and, you know, vomiting, and soy and fever. And so he, when he got better, he thought, well, that’s interesting, you know, maybe nature’s consistent in the way that she poisoned. So he went off to the college that he was teaching at and asked his students if they would do a, proving he didn’t even have that term back then. But yeah, they all had the exact same symptoms. And he thought, well, that’s super interesting. What if what Hippocrates said that, you know, what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger, you know, and first cause no harm and then all of these things, but I pockety said said one more thing, and that is you must base prescription on the law of nature like cures like and so when a patient came to see him with the symptoms that looked like the quinine disease he had provoked within himself, he gave us small crude dose of quinine and cured it instantaneously. And then thusly discovered the Law of Cure, like cures, like which were told this is the law of homeopathy or homeopathic cure. And so, you know, the cool thing is that this is used by 19 million people in Europe and North America more than in Europe. And so when we came on the scene, a Jeff 21 years ago, nobody knew what the hell it was we were doing, or why, because it was very much more European based. So Heilkunst is a much broader system. I mean, we were trained now the program is over six years, and, I mean, you’re doing a third postgraduate research right now. In fact, I don’t think I’ve ever known you not to be studying formerly Heilkunst principles, often to anthroposophy and Oregon to me, and now into the deepest level of philosophy that we have available.

Jeff Korentayer: A man it’s like, on our theme for today is, you know, the, the general framework of principles is quite straightforward. Like, you know, within a small number of minutes, you know, we could lay out for a brand new person and say, oh, yeah, here’s, you know, we have this zone of the principles and we have this one over here we, like we have these three major jurisdictions. But yes, as far as going deeper into study and everything that’s like and also corresponding with that the the uniqueness and individuality of each case, it’s like you get into a whole world of nuance and detail that needs to be unpacked afresh you know, with with each patient in each case, so yeah, the more the more you can say philosophical horsepower I pack in under the hood Yeah, the more That’s my reason for for doing what I what I do is first studies is Yeah, I do notice actually does help me in the details of my cases and the roots of things.

Allyson McQuinn: Yeah, I found only one course of study was sufficient for me.
Jeff Korentayer: Like you are back to luck and everything you are you just you’re just born with an innate innate sense of smartness and no cruel and natural Common Sense was more of like a brain wisdom a brain smarts that I need to feed that a lot of fuel.

Allyson McQuinn: Yeah, I just prefer, I think you need a backup, you know, support making sure somebody’s making meals, otherwise you would never eat. Because you’re so busy and all of your studies and yeah, practice and running a very large empire now as it would say, so.

Jeff Korentayer: So let’s, let’s turn this over to the viewers. And now for any questions or just general comments, wherever you are participating in this, you know, Facebook or YouTube, or if you’re, you know, some one of the other similar platforms, as always, you can just go down to the comment box underneath this video and just type your question type your comment, if you’re here with us live will get that right now and will speak directly to you with that whoever, you know, just type something in. Otherwise, if if this, if you’re watching the replay, same thing, just put in your comment, and we will get that and we will bring that forward to the next time we’re talking like this the next time we have a a question and answer session. And yeah, nothing will get lost in the mists of time, we just will keep circling around the questions as you bring them forward. So we had any any kind of final reflections or summary that you have kind of focusing on today? Awesome.

Allyson McQuinn: Yeah, like you say, Jeff, just after all the issues. dition of Heilkunst medicine I’m truly amazed. You know, I think of the children that I have served, you know, Finley, who started to speak and didn’t have speech before little Alexander who was locked away in his world, you know, writing with little plastic blocks his name after the first session, and he had never done that before. You know, just the the love and compassion that I’ve had for for the parents that trusted me and us, you know, to bring their own path to cure. I’m so full of gratitude to have had the opportunities to resolve those cases, they’re super emotional for me, there’s not a day that goes by that I still don’t have those feelings that I did with the struggles that I had with my own son. And you know, when a mother is crying and saying how difficult and and hard it is. And then as we go through several months of treatment, just the big shifts and the big wins. And, you know, we get to celebrate that together. And I still am reading along with them. You know, heart to heart shoulder to shoulder because, yeah, it’s just it’s indescribable. The feeling when a child starts to wake back up after being traumatized and and injured.

Jeff Korentayer: Yes. Exactly. Yeah, of course. Yeah. We can talk about the the rational principles which are true, but yeah, there’s, there’s a very human outcome at the end of it all. And yeah, that’s, that’s never lost on you. And when we go through this experience with anyone that that’s the real, living reality of behind all this, but yeah, I am grateful thankful for the principles to be able to do that. But yeah, you’re right, to kind of bring it back home. So that Alison, it is very much a human story we end up with in the end,

Allyson Mcquinn: Just to mention, that when Jordan was really ill, I made a pact with whatever Creator created us humans. cured, I would write a book and give it away for free. I felt that that was my obligation that I would be so thankful that I would do that. So Jeff, just to mention that the pastor forward slash bonus does is an audio book and out of my own pocket, I paid to have it published and then gave it away for free now for over two decades. And with the bonus, it’s actually an audio book, so have add her. It was a woman I was serving years ago in New Brunswick, Canada, and she offered to do the recording of it as an audio book. So I’m super proud of that piece. And again, it’s completely free. And there’s no charge for that at all. Just so you know, I think to get the book all in one encapsulated version. I don’t know if it’s 999 but the past secure bonus audio book is given to you for free over several weeks you get it get to unpack another chapter each Last week until it’s finished.

Jeff Korentayer: Yeah, so there it is. So the past Or if you leave off the bonus, you will Oh, you can also see the Kindle version, you know if that’s your preferred way of reading and all of that. But otherwise, as I say, if we get kind of questions that come in from the replay, we will certainly incorporate that in our next q&a. But otherwise, thank you, Alison. And thank you all for kind of joining us and being part of this whole path with us.

Allyson McQuinn: My pleasure, awesome. Thank you Jeff. So much for taking the time and yeah, co hosting with me. I know the person knock at the door, which is the worst thing that can happen during a live broadcast. So yeah, thanks for fading and going to pick that up.

Jeff Korentayer: was perfect naming you were right in the middle of your your map tours.

Allyson McQuinn: I realized I’m by myself. I was a bit spooky for a second but yeah, it was all good.

Jeff Korentayer: Okay, well, we will see you all in TV land next time.

Allyson McQuinn: Thank you, Jeff. Talk to you soon.

Jeff Korentayer: Bye.

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