This is a podcast interview of Allyson McQuinn by Mary Beauchamp, R.N., of ‘The Ketogenic Diet Show’. Originally published on July 25, 2022.
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Mary Beauchamp 0:00
Welcome to the ketogenic diet show. My name is Mary Beauchamp and I’ll be your hostess. Let’s begin by taking a deep breath together.
Allyson McQuinn 3:27
That’s www.arcanum.ca/8steps. So my name is Alison McQuinn. And I’m a Doctor of Heilkunst medicine and a mother of two children that are grown adults now. And I have written about 25 books and have been supporting my own patients for 21 years as of June and really helping them with regimen including nutrition and sequential approach to homeopathy to resolve chronic disease issues, and then also a counseling component as well. I met you Mary because a friend of ours introduced you by inviting you to supper one night at our house here in Guanajuato, Mexico. And I was carrying quite a bit of extra weight. And it was interesting because I said, Well, I live on keto. How cool is it that you’re a Keto coach, and I wanted to find out so much more about your practice and in that found where I probably was failing. And you know, it’s always best for the physician to treat thyself but not by yourself. When you suggested that we get together and discuss what might have been my missing length, I was well beguiled. And I feel that it was fate that you were brought into my realm. And so yeah, as soon as you pulled out that little meter that you check ketones and blood glucose, I thought, Oh, shit. Look at that. And so yeah, sugars and glycemic level were quite high issues, I was not in ketosis, although I have not eaten grains, or wheat, probably in 20 years, lots of vegetables, probably about 80% vegetables and, you know, cacophony of meats and fish, but also these great little treats that I used to make very regularly with almond flour and monk fruit or rethread, tall and, you know, all kinds of yummy fat bombs and fat bagels and I was having a grand old Roth, staying at exactly the same weight, or even gaining a smidge each year. And so when I recognized that I had put on probably about 35 pounds over the last couple of decades, sitting for hours and hours at a time, and only doing about an hour and a half to two hours of exercise six days a week. I wasn’t pushing the needle anywhere.
Mary Beauchamp 6:32
Yeah. And that’s a lot of physical activity that you were doing. And in the Keto world, you were doing everything right. You know, it looked right on paper. And it felt like you were doing all the hard things to try to get the weight off. And typically what happens is I hear people say, Oh, I’ve been doing keto for, you know, six months, and it’s not working. And so my job is always kind of been to investigate, like, what, where’s the missing link? Why isn’t this working for you? And we figure it out together, right? And I remember telling you at dinner that night, I said, Well, if your goal is to lose weight, and you’ve been doing this for two years, and you haven’t lost the weight, you’re something’s wrong. Like, let’s dive in and check this out. And I’m happy to do that for you. So we’ve just, we’ve just been having so much fun, Ali, and I mean, since the first time we met, and you’ve just been so compliant and so willing to learn and, and so committed to this process, that it’s just been a joy, to watch. You do all the things with never complaining and never whining, and you know, it’s been, it’s just been a lot of fun. So I have so appreciate your willingness and your perseverance and just your great attitude and being being the boss, you know, you, you You are the boss of your metabolism right now. And it’s just fantastic to see.
Allyson McQuinn 7:58
Tell if I am now but I wasn’t for a very long time. And every time you said to me, Mary, Oh Allah, you’ve got this. I think she’s full of it. But there’s no way in this God’s creation. I got this, because I really had lost faith, because I had been seeing love. Like so many practitioners, fellow practitioners, trainers, I had this really hot. Well, I’ve think I’ve gone through three trainers now that I think about it. Their answer was always oatmeal and I’m like, the oatmeal does anymore. And you know, that’s the thing is I had tried so many approaches, I really felt quite forsaken. And deep down even though I was kind of your fun, loving, compliant gout. Deep down, I had a lot of pain, because I really couldn’t shake it. You know, I really thought there was something extremely broken. And for one physician to say that to another therapist, is a big deal. Because you know that that took me to the nub. You know, I was I was really deeply in a lot of angst and a lot of pain deep down. And
Mary Beauchamp 9:16
so how much weight have you lost?
Allyson McQuinn 9:20
Well go catch with 35 pounds.
Mary Beauchamp 9:26
That’s an accomplishment. So
Allyson McQuinn 9:27
started at 180 6.3 and I’m down to 152. This morning. Maybe the numbers don’t add up. My math is not my strong suit, but in around there. 30 To 35 Yeah, something like that.
Mary Beauchamp 9:44
Okay, that’s awesome. So proud of you. Congratulations. Thank you lighting. And you look amazing. I mean, your whole face has changed. Your whole body has changed. You’re just met a metamorphosis thing,
Allyson McQuinn 10:00
I’m so pleased, like, I can’t even tell you I wear my shirts tucked in now. And you know, after 2530 years of not being able to do that, that’s huge. And you know, just noticing that my pelvis is properly, you know, in her hammock now, whereas I was always because I was compensating for a larger thyroidal belly, you know that my, my pelvis was tilted back, which meant that my sex organs were also mis placed. And so by everything coming back into alignment, it has changed not just my endocrine system, but also all my Oregon habitat as well. So, yeah, a lot of that internal working. I, you know, knew that that was possible, but actually achieving it is a whole other level. Right?
Mary Beauchamp 10:55
And can you can you say any more about about that into what you’ve noticed in your pelvis and your sexual organs and your Yeah,
Allyson McQuinn 11:05
well, AI is super, super important, like with the way that you move through the world. And that’s the thing you know, you got me to get those great little shoes where my toes are all slayed like a little tree frog now. And super adorable. And, and it has changed like my whole alignment because I was super heavy and my thighs like I always looked like I had a biker’s posture. Because my thighs were really super sick, and still remained an area that I’m still working on taking weight off. But then also my abdomen, I had this pouch after a C section. And then of course, gaining weight just exacerbated that, because of the pelvic tilt back, that gave me more of a sway back, and it was causing a lot of reverberated pain up into my shoulders and my neck. And so yeah, when the elbows connected to the knee joint and all of that it was actually causing a lot of misalignment in my whole body.
Mary Beauchamp 12:14
And have you noticed changes in your hormones at all with that? Well,
Allyson McQuinn 12:19
yeah, because I was always burning sugar and not realizing, of course, there’s 5000, regulating chemicals and hormones in the body. If you’re always burning up sugar, I was always feeling unsupported emotionally, and this was kind of a key component of my own trauma in my life. And so, thank God, you were the type of practitioner that really understood how to weave, you know, not just the physical aspects, but the mental, emotional and spiritual aspects as well, because I never divorced those two in my own practice. And of course, I couldn’t, and didn’t want to divorce the physical aspect of my endocrine system, and what it means to be always in a sugar burning mode. So when I started to get down into true keto Genesis, this is what I found was that, oh, I don’t have to eat every two to three hours that I can actually go through my fasts feeling supported on broth alone. And this changed a lot, not just in my endocrine system, but also in my mental emotional stability and scaffolding. It changed, it was a game changer on all levels. And that’s the thing is, I wonder, you know how many people like me are living in chronic inflammation, and always just buzzing up at the top within the glycemic index, but never getting into that more supportive scaffolding of the slow grind sleeping through the night. That’s another area that was never possible for me, I’d always be up for a pee at least once or twice every night. And it just felt like I was kind of chronically fatigued. And really like my my hormones, because I think like the sugar and the estrogen have a real party together. I was always at this kind of buzzy, wired, almost like a ADHD kind of buzzy, edgy, pissy it wouldn’t take much for me to be agitated, aggravated, you know, even enraged, I could go from zero to 800 if provoked. And that’s the thing is all of that has really changed, as I’m much more settled now in my sex organs, which sounds odd. So I have we haven’t really talked knocked about this, but I think, like the sugar caused me to stay up more in my intellect. And now I feel so much like the freight elevator has gone down. And I’m living now more from my seat and my sex organs were, you know, really, if we’re having big thoughts, they can fuse the intellect with information. But, you know, choice is actually down in our bellies. And that true place to navigate from feels to me, as if the ketogenic diet and your guidance, of course, has helped me to really displace all of the noise of the sugar, and really get down into my loins where I should be navigating from.
Mary Beauchamp 15:50
That is so beautifully said, I’ve loved that. So it sounds to me like what you’re saying, correct me if I’m wrong, is that you have come from sort of operating more in an in an ethereal space to being more grounded in your body with running on ketones, as opposed to glucose? Yes,
Allyson McQuinn 16:15
well said. And that’s the thing I think, is that my the inflammation in my body was in my brain because I was suffering migraines. I don’t say that to many people. As a physician, we’re not supposed to have symptoms, you don’t you know. And so, yeah, I was suffering periodic migraines, which I didn’t know what set them off. And I realized, like coffee was a trigger. So what was happening in you know, this from doing so much research in physiology and anatomy, is that if something comes in, that creates inflammation, what happens then is the symptoms in the body reacts in the area of the body where the challenges are. So I had so much off gassing glucose in my brain that you send in something that creates expansion. And of course, I couldn’t handle that, because I was already so full of inflammation. And you know, so trying to be on true keto, where, you know, I have that little Rob with a stimulant with you know, full cream and a bit of monkfruit was a freakin disaster for me, because I was so full trip in the lights, fantastic from my belly inflammation, my abdominal inflammation, the inflammation in my pancreas, right, right up to fatty liver. I mean, I was a frickin disaster, and I couldn’t figure out how to resolve it at its roots. And so when we started the keto diet, of course, I was like, thrilled because I could have a bit of decaf coffee with full fat and cream and monk fruit. It was the urethra tall, as you know, that we discovered you’re like, Okay, what else is in that? monkfruit You’re such an investigative, you know, physician and I love that about you, because you really caused me to pause instead of doing anything by default. So this was so interesting to me. And then I was cutting out everything and getting back just to eggs. You know, Oregon need fish. And you said, Well, you still got glycemic index in here. And I’m for the love of God, what could it possibly be? I cut out fruit, everything and you said, I think it’s the vegetables. And even though you and I were having such a fun roll up in person, you never heard of names. I called you after I got home. Like vegetables? Are you freaking kidding me? And of course, you were right. So I took out everything got back, you know, pretty much to fasting, raw Roth, organ meat, fish and eggs. And that was it for actually quite a number of weeks. And oh my god, like I really met kind of the meat of myself, like my husband jokes. He’s also a fellow Heilkunst ER physician, and he says, you know, vegetarians really have to realize that there’s one truth, and that is their made from meat. It made you have to kind of go back to factory settings. And this is where I was having to go back to factory settings in a way that I never imagined. And of course, I started getting bodacious results as a result. And so your science was spot on and left me kind of like just stunned really?
Mary Beauchamp 19:51
Oh, that’s great. Yeah, sometimes you have to dive into the details to discover what it is that’s causing this and that’s why most of the time You know, if people are willing and able, the best way to go about this journey, which I have discovered, sort of the hard way with meeting many people like yourself, is that people don’t come to me when they’re doing okay with hito. They come to me when they’re, you know, struggling and frustrated. And often, the answer to that is to eliminate all plants. And to go back to the basic dietary protocol of what we would call the gut healing protocol, essentially. And that means no plants, because plants have compounds in them, that can inflame the gut. And that’s where this inflammation begins, is in the digestive tract. And I know that you had some responses to certain foods that you could actually feel after you would eat them in your thyroid. And so that was really interesting to me. And so we dove into that for a little bit. Do you have any more that you might want to add to to that for people that may be struggling with thyroid challenges? Because this is really important? Yeah,
Allyson McQuinn 21:01
well said. And that’s the thing. Even the women that I serve mostly women with thyroid issues, it’s rampid. And the interesting thing is I was doing thyroid deinem supplements had been taking, you know, iodine, for legals for years, Nascent Iodine, taking lots of kelp. And I was, you know, in Selenium to help myself absorb, like, I knew the protocols. And that’s the most interesting part for me, is that, yeah, I was playing by all the rules, seemingly, and I still was having thyroid challenges. And of course, it boiled down to the fact that I was not metabolizing my sugar, well, because my thyroid was exhausted. And my pancreas was incredibly inflamed, along with my liver, and so everything was kind of, like not booted off and not designed to burn fat. I had exhausted those organs and hormones for such a long period of time, that they basically, you know, like a dog rolled over on their back and said, You know, I give up, there’s, I’m not getting what it is that I need, which is the rest. And so any kind of vegetable, and we’ve talked about this, because I surmise that perhaps it may be that everything is GMOs in the plant world. And I have a premise that as I was really observing myself, because it’s like the elimination diet that you did with me, you know, like a child that comes in with allergies, I got an allergy, okay, well, let’s eliminate this, eliminate that until finally I was down to four, four food groups and three of them were the same. I pretended they were more food groups, and they were so I can try and mentally get myself through the challenge. But that was the thing is that taking me back to kind of factory settings, I really realized how triggered I was even like by low glycemic the bedroom vegetables, which were was a problem and shocking to me even that things like broccoli, and you know, cannabis, which is zucchini was still still a trigger when you know, in Quito realm, they were supposed to be kosher for me and turn out not so much. Now, I’ve recently just to reassure our friends online. at this particular juncture, I am able to bring vegetables back in and I’m eating you know, salads and vegetables and doing just fine and still able to hit keto Genesis and bring and manage my weight down through. You know, I’ve been doing that for about two months now that I’m within four to six pounds, and I can just Toggler because I get it now where the triggers were, but I have the opportunity even to have, you know, a little keto dessert once every even once a week or two weeks and I’m still able, you know, like a ninja to pull back and then fast for so many hours or even a day or two and just, you know, bring my back myself back into a fat burning pattern.
Mary Beauchamp 24:37
Yeah, that’s beautiful. Because you are the boss now you have mastered your metabolic function and you have the tools in place to be able to monitor and manage and understand that language that your body is speaking to you. And you know how to speak back to it the messages that you need to to get the results that you want and that is so profound. And that’s really what I want to teach everybody is that you can become the master of your metabolism. And it’s, it’s not anything that I can do for you, but that you have to learn to do for yourself. And once you master that, it’s beautiful. And you don’t need me anymore. And it’s fabulous.
Allyson McQuinn 25:21
Every good system of medicine should end in firing the physician. Absolutely, ya know, and that never happens in allopathic. It’s, you know, they want clients for life, if, and that’s what I think I’m so thankful for is that, you know, I couldn’t figure out where my blind spots were. And you very adroitly and lovingly did that not just on the level of science that really enabled me to understand, but also with great compassion and nurturing and love. And that’s probably another aspect that we should delve into is that, where some of my big emotional challenges were, that I was super surprised to bump into old childhood trauma, that as a woman, I was terrified of getting to my very bodacious, curvaceous self, from my early years as a child when I was 12. And 13, being called by men at construction sites. Well, isn’t it amazing that at 58 years old, I actually bump in to some of that content, as we’re peeling back my weight layers to find some of that content, the criticism, you know, of my stepmother being treated as a sex object, where my, you know, construction workers, boyfriends, I mean, I, there was a young, well, he wasn’t young at the time, he was 18, driving by an TransAm. You know, cat calling at me like, Oh, baby, you’re gorgeous. I’m 12 years old, you know, and that my stepmother is like, yeah, your dress like a salt, sloth, you need to change those clothes, and my father just shut down. He never paid any attention to me any more, really, with affection or love or nurturing, like you couldn’t touch a girl that’s budding with breasts, and you know, sex organs and all the rest of it. And I couldn’t figure out what was wrong with me. So I had developed a big fat juicy belief, which was that it’s dangerous to be smelt. Like, it causes you danger, to be slim. You know, even my best friend here in Mexico would call me like kita. And I’m like, what does that mean? And she said, skinny, beautiful and skinny. And I felt myself like clench inside. And that was affection or attention from another woman. It’s different in Mexico, they don’t, it’s not a bad thing to talk about somebody’s weight. We don’t associate like in the states in Canada, we don’t associate with that negative, like we talk about it very openly. And I’m trying to be more like that. But there’s still this kind of this, there was this closet clench inside of me of like a deep seated fear and terror. So a few weeks ago, you can down and we did a session. And my place that you really helped me unlock that content. And a lot of that is building back safety in a curvaceous, attention receiving way and not to interpret it as terror or negative. And this was cementing my inability to take off the last 12 pounds I had wanted to take off for quite some time, and I was plateaued significantly.
Mary Beauchamp 29:13
Yes, I remember that. And I knew that there was something we needed to dive into to figure out what was going on because we had fine tuned things to the tee. And then we came to this, this and yet another plateau. And this is where you have to just be so persistent and consistent and determined really, to get beyond whatever it is that’s blocking you. And it doesn’t always have to be what’s on your plate, necessarily. And that is what we were able to really peel back some additional layers to get down into what was going on and emotionally for you and what stories you were running and telling yourself that were preventing you from really reaching your goals and this this goes back into the Our subconscious in such a deep way, like you said, Things came up that you remembered from when you were 12. And that were very traumatic and devastating. And when you begin to reach that same point in your body form, as you were, then these things are going to come back up. And it’s so fascinating to me. And I find it to be integral to the process of moving and pushing through that. So I just want to recognize your courage and your bravery, and how much that is needed in these times when we simply can’t emotionally push back or push through our plateaus, and you were willing to go there. And that’s really what it takes. And I’m always available to be witness to people’s process when they’re willing to go deeply into their emotional material, and discover what it is that they’re telling themselves. So I so appreciate your willingness and courage, ally in doing that. Thank you
Allyson McQuinn 31:05
so much. My pleasure. And again, too, as a trauma therapist, I wouldn’t be worth my salt if I didn’t do this work myself. And like I said, I was the most surprised out of any of us that that content still lay dormant down there and came up for my not so viewing pleasure. And yeah, and that was the thing is that you just very lovingly and adroitly held me. And obviously I felt safe enough to do that work with you. At that juncture, the timing was pristine. And yeah, and that’s I also think I got the code very clear message, that you were going to hold me through that process, when I said that coming up because of your book. I mean, you had done such a beautiful and bodacious job of not just categorizing and explaining the science behind ketogenic dieting, and the approach on such a clear level. But you also went into the hole, this is how you work with the emotions that are going to come up. These are the rituals that you can, you know, use in your life that helped you to actually clearly excavate that aspect, which I think is missing so much from any dieting protocol, which we all know, fails miserably, in the face of, you know, people always, almost always gain the weight back. Because they will inherently just reinvent the same old patterns over and over and over again, which breeds a whole lot of demoralization and psychic pain, I’m not good enough, I’m not smart enough, I’m a loser, I keep, you know, putting the weight back on and it’s so horrible place of you know, patterning because we don’t do that adroitly enough, as physicians and coaches resolve the root cause, which of course, is mental, emotional, spiritual, not just physical, the physical answers to those bodies that have to be addressed in conjunction, or even first.
Mary Beauchamp 33:27
And we can’t necessarily do this by ourself. So the applications that I present in, in my book, radical health Makeover, the science and spirituality of self healing, are there to help you start the process and sort of dive in and start to become aware of your thinking of your inner voice of your inner critic, if you will. That’s sort of where we noticed these subconscious patterns show up constantly. They’re always going, they’re always running. But it’s also something that, you know, I have found over the years and that’s why I wrote the book, that working with people in a group setting one on one face to face is something that is so profound, and it’s so life changing, because we don’t become that vulnerable. It what but while reading a book, you know, we can do the practices and the meditations. And that’s wonderful. And we should have a spiritual practice where we become more conscious and aware of our self, and cultivate that relationship with our higher self, which is really what this is all about. This is something that doesn’t happen when you’re isolated by yourself. This is the deepest work that we can do. And that requires a witness and it requires even a group and which is why I love so much. doing live retreats with people because we can all dive into this together in a circle and hold space for one another, to witness and move through our own blockages. And it’s so profound that you can do years worth of therapy work in one hour with in a group setting when the container is set correctly for this work to be done. And that’s why I’m so passionate about doing live retreats where we actually do this work together. And people walk away, just completely transformed. And you were you and I were able to do that together. And it was really such a beautiful experience. So I really appreciate your courage again, and being willing to keep looking, and looking and looking because it’s painful, it’s very deeply painful, because we have to relive the trauma. And that’s how we work through it. That’s how we really resolve it within ourselves that we can see it from a different angle, when we are an adult working through that same experience again, but being willing to go there is very challenging, and really keeps a lot of people stuck. Yeah, and
Allyson McQuinn 36:03
I think the, it was great to release the rage and the anger around that as it kind of cascaded forward. Because what I realized is that as a child, I was treated as a sex object, and not as an individual or a human being. And I think like a lot of the weight was put on as a protective mechanism. You know, I went on to do a four, sorry, a five, six year medical degree and then another four years in postgraduate research, I could not I felt have done that. Being treated as an object, you know, and media had, you know, created this in the in the seven DS is that it’s okay for men to treat women like that, you know, even young women, even children, like it’s stole my childhood. And I was effing in rage, when I figured out that this poor little child, this little girl inside me, had been occluded by fat for so many years as a protective mechanism. So I couldn’t chew, I could really empower myself to become intelligent. And this is a message I want to send out to your listeners is that I’m still not over that rage. But I will transmute and transcend that rage so that other young women and children do not suffer the same way that I did. And that I think is my biggest distillation through this process is that I can be stunningly beautiful and felt and not treated any less or as an object of sexual desire by other individuals who have no self respect. And that has been the key to unlocking taking off that last 12 pounds is that I am getting more and more comfortable with what was stolen from me. And I’m claiming it back on my terms as an incredibly Uber and intelligent and bodacious Slee capable and creative human in my body with my whole self in alignment, mentally, emotionally and physically. And connected to beauty. Cool. Yeah. That’s a big charge right there.
Mary Beauchamp 38:51
It makes me a little emotional, actually, to hear you say that belly.
Allyson McQuinn 38:55
Yeah. And, you know, darlin, me too. And that’s the thing is that, you know how many other women and children have gone through precisely and padded their locker, their physical, mental and emotional health and fat between all their organs and their heart, and the sugar just keeping it reinforced? Topping it up periodically, just to specifically insulate against what we have, you know, build boarded women in magazines for, you know, decades, and compromise their capacity to truly be congruent with their intelligence, their capacities, their wonderful creativity and generative power and their genius. I would say that,
Mary Beauchamp 39:54
when I think about it, I think the reason it’s so emotional for me is that I think every woman has been through that every single woman on the planet has experienced that. On some level, yeah. Been hyper sexualized as a, as an adolescent. And for a young child to have to bear that burden
Allyson McQuinn 40:22
is extraordinarily devastating. Yeah. Well said, well said. And I think, you know, coming to that realization, that that was profoundly at my core, you know, the things that I swung the pendulum opposite to was feminism, and becoming, you know, even a physician and oh, I’ve done a PhD and oh, I’ve written 25 books. That’s a fucking false ego, you know, diatribe, I was compensating, I still compensate for something that was stolen from me very early on in my development. And who knows, maybe I was really meant to be a watercolor artist or a potter, but I never got a chance to figure out if that’s truly who I meant to be. Because I’m always been compensating, and, you know, storing the fat. On my frame was another aspect of that same gesture. You know, and it’s sad, I feel sad, and war torn. A little like, it’s going to take me quite a bit of time to find my true center. You know, who am I now, as, you know, a whole super ninja healthy woman, you know, with not an ounce of fat on my abdomen or thighs? Like, really? Who am I going to be, you know, not as a sex object, but just purely apprehending and commanding my full, the full monty of my naturalness. Like, I don’t know, I’m curious as hell like, I’m sure I’ll be up to having a good whale. And second, my son on your porch, you know, still one day or twice, you know, stepping on the scales and going, Oh, my God, that takes the sales like the wind right out of my sails, like, like, who am I now?
Mary Beauchamp 42:33
That is amazing. And that’s the question we get to ask ourselves every day is who? Who am I now? Why am I doing the things I’m doing? And who do I want to be? Those are the curious questions we get to walk around with on a daily basis, once we remove these layers of weight, mental, emotional, and physical weight that we’ve been carrying around. And this is enlightenment. You know, this is enlightening. And that is the point that is the real point of the work that I do. And you have done an amazing job of being so curious and really exploring these playful spaces within yourself and doing things that are so fun and engaging and really like becoming a kid again.
Allyson McQuinn 43:26
Yeah. Well said, and that’s the thing is that it brings back that element of play, like I have to go back and get her you know, that poor sweet 12 year old daughter who was cut off from her father who didn’t look at her anymore and I couldn’t figure out you know, what I had done because he was my light you know, he loved we we roll around and wrestle on the floor together all of a sudden, you know, no more tell fights, because you know, you might hit the your 12 year old daughter in the breast and then you open up a whole can of worms no more, you know, wrestling that’s gone. You know, the cat calling and you know, the boy in the TransAm, who desired something I didn’t really wasn’t in touch with yet I didn’t know and then being called all your jeans are too tight, and you look like this flat and, you know, changing out of the clothes I was wearing in a girlfriend’s garage, so that I could wear what I felt I wanted to wear to school, you know, early on, and being caught by her mother, what are you doing, taking, you know, changing your clothes and my garage. I mean, these are very painful things that we went through out of survival to try and define identity when the onslaught of persecution really in tyranny and, you know, you couldn’t develop naturally with all of that coming. You had to develop protective mechanisms in order to cope. And so that has brought me to a place of advocacy, through this protocol with you, that I never imagined would be my vehicle for transcendence because you always have to take the rage or turns, tumors or heart, which is what it’s called to film patients, that if you don’t take that morsel of rage and anger, and figure out what its gift, and, you know, back to humanity is about, you know, now I understand to the depths and the fiber of my being the etiology of fat.
Mary Beauchamp 45:40
I was recently in Mexico City during the Women’s March, the Women’s Day. And I mean, there’s some intense rage going on out there. And I had never really seen it before, in a mass group of a couple 100,000 women that were marching down the street, in Mexico City, but it was profound. And as I talked to you, it’s like, it just goes right back to me, thinking, Well, no wonder, you know, no wonder women are so angry.
Allyson McQuinn 46:10
Yeah, well, so my old mentor asked me years ago, Why are women so angry? Back to him? How could we not be? You know, really, and that’s the thing is that it doesn’t end with women’s advocacy, you know, with the Rockefeller orchestrated women’s movement of the 60s, you know, we can’t become tribal, we have to become introspective, because we cannot transcend as a group of individuals, men and women, unless we are going for deep transformation of our own schisms, and trauma, and pain. And then we can come together, you know, as true natural individuals, not as a label, and not as something that’s orchestrated as a debt based economy between men and women, to, you know, further the Rockefeller agenda, which happens to be all the education that individuals get at medical school with only three hours of nutrition in their curriculum. And so, yes, it has to be personal transformation, before we can throw the rope back to individuals who have suffered in ways that are resonant with what we have actually transcended in ourselves. And so yeah, I’m thinking, as I am talking, right now, I wrote a book called unfolding the essential self from rage to orgastic potency, I think I need to go back and add a chapter chapter, you know, in this realm, because now it’s not complete anymore. But isn’t that the evolution of our consciousness that, you know, we just keep unfolding layers of ourselves, and that, you know, our blind spots are in our subconscious or not areas that we even know about, you know, until it comes up. That’s right.
Mary Beauchamp 48:19
And as it comes up in our daily life, there’s always a new opportunity. And if we stay curious, and in that childlike state, really, of just child’s mind, we can always have an opportunity to learn something, and to evolve and to grow and to peel back another layer. It’s difficult to stay unconscious, and it’s difficult to become conscious. So it’s not for everyone. I just think that neither way is easy, you know, to grow spiritually, and evolve spiritually, it’s, it’s extraordinarily painful, because we have to go back. And we have to re visit very painful events that occurred in our life. They are, they’re the rudder that’s directing us, whether we know it or not. And whether we’re aware of it or not, want to go back into really dive into that material is excruciating, and not very many people are going to do it, you know, and those are the people that are going to gain the weight back and they’re going to never lose the weight, they’re not going to reach their health goals. And they’re going to continue to have lots of inflammation and be moody and angry. And that’s not easy, either. You know, and I always laugh a little bit when people say, Oh my God, this this diet, it’s so hard and you know, it’s it’s all the things you know, all the negative things you can think about making a change that isn’t easy. It’s I just kind of, you know, have to shrug my shoulders and giggle a little bit and eventually, if people stick with it, they’ll realize that it’s actually a lot easier than what they were doing because it’s going to simplify your life in such a huge way. So yeah. And
Allyson McQuinn 50:01
falling in love with yourself is a really nice added benefit. No. And that’s the thing is that yes, when you actually stand in front of the mirror, you know, or my massage therapist said the other day, as she ran her hands down in my side, she goes, Oh, my God, I said, Are you going to charge me half because I’m half the woman that I was. And it becomes, like you say, such a source of humor and playfulness and softness. And I think that’s another thing is that I had always had a measure of tripod rage as a defense, you know, wanting to kick anything with three legs, because my fear of men from an early age was baked into that fat.
Mary Beauchamp 50:49
Mm hmm. And if you’re in a state of stress, or rage, or anger, or frustration, or whatever you call that fear, essentially, it’s just a deep rooted fear that lives in us. Your body cannot heal itself, because you’re in this state of fight or flight, and you have these stress hormones raging through your body all the time. I mean, just walking downtown, you can feel that sometimes, depending on what cars driving by, and what cat calls are being, you know, blurted out you and whatnot. If we’re walking around in that triggered state, our physiology is in survival mode. Yeah. And we cannot get to those deeper layers of healing that need to happen. These things take so much time you don’t heal overnight. And so how can we continue this journey if we’re clenching and in fear and having all this cortisol and adrenaline surging through our body all the time, and not sleeping? Well, it’s just a snowball effect. And the one of the first things we have to do is to calm the nervous system down. And you have modeled that so beautifully, and your wit and your willingness to just keep, keep peeling back the layers and going deeper and deeper into this process. And so it’s just such a beautiful thing to see, Ali,
Allyson McQuinn 52:09
thank you been an honor to work with you. And like I say, really unfold my essential self through the process and, you know, bump into those really hard places and have you really helped to trigger to bring them out, you know, both on the physical level and the mental, emotional and spiritual level, I’m a much more I would say, sweet and soft and beautiful person inside and out as a result of this work that I have had the honor of doing with you. So thank you so much. And I wish all of those individuals that you serve the same, you know, bless a journey, to be able to you know, go to the physical come back to the emotional get back to the physical and, you know, go into the spiritual and hit that emotional thing and back into the physical and this, this is how I kind of saw it was some kind of really amazing, dynamic process that had me toggling between these gestures that enabled me really to apprehend and leverage, you know, the dirty gnarly bits down at my core. Because yeah, then the weight and the food starts to matter less and less and less and less as you go. And you just kind of like instinctually eat, which I can’t even tell you what that feels like that I’m actually full. And I know I’m full. And I’m going to put the other half of the eggs in the fishcakes I made into a container and put it in the fridge. Maybe I’ll want it later. But I’ve never had that capacity in my whole life. And because, you know, my trauma was very early on with my biological mother committing suicide. I was mothered by a family that never spoke about that trauma after it happened ever again. Was never spoken up. So how was I loved by my aunts my cousin’s my grandmother’s through food and they would give me Oh, anything I wanted Tang. I mean, we come back in from you know haying during the summer months, you can have anything you want. Do you want chocolate cake and vanilla cake and ice cream with that as your your overcooked beef and potatoes. I mean, I was raised Used to be a sugar addict. And that even though you know, I had become a physician 21 years ago, in natural health, I had aborted all of that way of being in the world. I still craved it. And I didn’t own my process. Truly, I didn’t own my process truly, because it’s still called to me like a siren and the waves come, you know, if you’re a good girl, and if you do enough work, and serve everybody else, and look after your kids, and keep that anger at bay, and if you tone down that tripod, rage, or you can have some dark chocolate before, you know, in the evening, when nobody knows, I could say
Mary Beauchamp 55:49
that this is just a theme that is so, so common, that we are rewarded. Often in our childhood with a treat, and especially if there’s trauma or guilt, as the parents have experienced, they want to ease their own guilt and give something to the child that’s going to temporarily make them feel good. Right. And this is what I grew up with to you know, I remember coming home from kindergarten eating, you know, at least a row of Oreos, maybe two. And having, you know, chocolate milk and all the things watching cartoons. I mean, all the things i That was the that was a daily after school snack for me was ice cream and Oreos, and what was it cereal? And milk? Yeah, yeah. And, you know, I lived on that for for many years. And even to this day, I will still catch myself saying to myself, you You deserve a treat? Yeah, even to this day, you know, it’s never gonna go away. Yeah, well, a little embedded, ingrained program in there is always going to try to play itself and it will. And it’s up to that higher self that why is self that true self, soul, self, whatever you want to call it, that develops the capacity to recognize that and to say, ha, you’re not going to pull that over on me or whatever you say, to address that inner voice is something that we developed during this process. And it’s kind of the thing that nobody’s really talking about. And that’s why I think that this interview is going to help so many people ally, because this is the thing that nobody’s talking about. And this is why I wrote the book that I did, because I want people to know that before they change their diet, the first thing you have to do is change your mind. Yeah. And otherwise, you know, you you just don’t see that you’re being run by something that isn’t you, and that does not have your best interest in mind.
Allyson McQuinn 57:59
Well said. And, you know, I know that you and I have raised our children differently. And I think that’s the thing is that I ran an experiment with my babes. And I really wanted to see I mean, my son will be 28. Next, well, this month, actually, in a few days, Wow, I did send him a present, so don’t worry about that. I will call him. But that’s the most amazing thing to me is that he’s an athlete, and you know, a bone practitioner. And you know, somebody who was an acrobat for many, many years did parkour top parkour, like bought his body and where he is in space and time has always been super important and critical to him. And he ate based on the basis of instinct. So interesting. I mean, he raised himself on burgers and eggs that was really, you know, grass fed lamb and, you know, raw milk. That was how he was raised, and he has an instinct, not just following what is being taught or told he has an instinct intact, and I’m like, wow, where do you get one of those, like, that’s an amazing thing to watch. unfold naturally. My daughter who’s will be 25. In January, same thing, she would say, you know, Mom, I have your body type. And I tend to put on weight, if I’m not watching, and I’m just going to take breakfast out for the next couple of weeks. And I’ll come back to factory settings. And I’m just like, wow, where do you get one of those? You know, I really would like to learn how to manage my metabolism like that. And of course, now I finally have it. And my kids are just in awe like you they’re just like, Mom, you’re rocking it. You’re so awesome. Like, look out. Like you’re more you Beautiful than you ever were before. And wow, like you really have this capacity. I’m like, I earned it by watching you, you know, unfold naturally, and I was smart enough not to get in your way to say no, you can’t have that. Or you can have this that I allowed them to learn how to self manage their own metabolism, what a gift. And so yeah, to be, you know, 59 this year, and finally get the keys to the kingdom, where I have that capacity as well, is such a gift. It’s like I’ve come full karmic circle, to obtain that ability, mentally, emotionally, physically and spiritually. How have frequent Lujah? You know, but no, it’s not been easy. You did earn it.
Mary Beauchamp 1:00:53
And I’m wondering if you could share a little bit about when you had the moment where you said that you can now eat half the plate, and you’re fine to just put it away for later. What, what do you attribute that to?
Allyson McQuinn 1:01:07
Well, that’s a great question. And maybe you can help me in the moment sort through that because, you know, when I sit down, because my endocrine system now is in a state of balance, because I am toggling between, yes, I, you know, went to the Thai restaurant on Friday night, but I still lost two pounds, because I didn’t eat you know, all my meals for the rest of the weekend, I knew that I was going to have that bit of fun and be able to pull back and come back into keto very rapidly. I really think that I’ve learned to be a metabolizing ninja, as a result of pulling back, given her pulling back given her, you know, and that I can I own this process now. Whereas before I felt out of control and victimized by my needs, that kept coming up out of my subconscious realm. So all of a sudden, I’m noticing, I have something called a fullness trigger. Clap. What a concept. Normal, unhealthy people have always had that my kids have that your kids have that. I didn’t know what that looked or felt like, because I was always stuffing down. You know, Wilhelm Reich talks about the aural block. Well, that’s smoking, over eating, you know, and I was always stuffing the emotion down in my nether girl, you know, because I was afraid or terrified of that. rage, anger, fear, guilt, shame, resentment, all of the whole host and bucket of emotions that we keep down in our another man. And that’s the thing is that neurosis is operated up here, trying to keep that pinioned below decks. Well, if it starts to come loose and start to manipulate us, the first thing we do is smoke or drink or grab some chocolate or, you know, food of some sort. Well, that takes our ability away, to sense those triggers when I’m done. And so I didn’t know, because getting up this recent content has meant that I don’t need to keep pushing shit down, that I’m not prepared to look at. Because it’s up, it’s out. And now I sense I’m full. And I think it’s a thing of beauty I almost wanted to sing out in as maybe I’ll be an opera star because now I say when I noticed that I’m full, which is just the thing of grace to me like, wow, that’s normal. That’s what that feels like, never knew it that we’re doing.
Mary Beauchamp 1:04:03
This is again, just such a profound example of how the mind and body work together, how the emotional body, the physical, physical body work together. And there’s no separating these things. So if there’s a blockage, if there’s something that’s not working, and you’re not getting the results that you want, you have to look in the corners and the dark corners and shine the light and all of these places. And eventually, as you practice these things over time over and over day after day after day, they they do sink in and they do stick and you will start to see and have these experiences like you had at the restaurant like wow, I’m full I’m going to put this in a TO GO Box and take it with me for tomorrow or whatever. The pieces just start to fall into place as you practice these things over time and it does take time and commitment. And you have paid your dues and you now are able to balance these things and keep this balance going, which is so amazing. And I think that’s really the point of the work that I do with people and that you do with people is to get them to be able to be their own governor or monitor in these ways. And this is what’s possible for everybody listening, that you are in control of your emotions, and of your habits, and of your desires. And you’re able to reach amazing goals and peaks and highlights and amazing pinnacles in your life that were not possible before. And because all these things were blocking you in, in the way. And so thank you for illuminating the amazing tie of the mind body connection, essentially, such
Allyson McQuinn 1:05:53
My pleasure, you know, and it’s, it’s fun to be chased by my husband, even though you know, he’s always loved me with every fiber of his being I could be 300 pounds, he would still come from me Sunday afternoons, I mean, it’s just that we’re baked in and you know, that’s helped a lot. He has never said, you know, you’re more beautiful now or triggered that thing, like, find your support system that operate from a state of integrity. You know, and don’t retrigger yourself being with people that actually bring that content up until you’re ready to release it in a safe place. I can’t reiterate that enough. And that’s the thing is, you know, I get off the scales or something in the morning, and I’m walking across the room. With my undies on only in my hubs goes, oh my god, you’re so stunningly beautiful, you know, and it’s so adorable, because he’s also lost 30 pounds. And you know, just from eating, how I’m eating and just, you know, kind of following. And, you know, picking up his pace with the zone running. And, you know, he’s like, so loving and supportive and never has treated me like an object. And never will. And I have to say, like to bring kudos to my beloved husband, that was a big part of being able to let go and hit in on that content, is that I’m loved and nurtured as myself as an intelligent woman in a beautiful body. No matter if I had weighed on or not, and have always been super fit, you know, like, it was nothing for me to rock 17 kilometers on the trail, about 12 miles on a weekend, even with 35 pounds on extra, my kids always called me the little bowl, you know, I was always super strong. But I just could not get to the bottom of this well of wait until recently. And again, just like there’s nobody more curious than I am now, I think, because I’m really, you know, after somebody’s died, you’re like a raw nerve. And you live so much in the moment. Because I don’t know who I am, wholly. In this state of grace, I learned so much about myself as a whole, a normal and healthy and fully beautiful woman. Because I’ve always carried weight on my friends since I was 16 years of age, age. You know, so to be to have you and to have friends and my children and my husband, surrounding me with so much love that we love you, no matter who you are, and what you look like, enabled me to be able to dissolve and shed that weight in a safe environment. Where, you know, nurturing and care and emotional integrity have been key.
Mary Beauchamp 1:09:14
That really speaks to the concept that our environment is constantly reflecting back to us and affecting our physiology in such a profound way emotional and physical, in our emotional and physical body. So I again, I do talk a lot about this in my book as well, that we have to rearrange our environment. And if you’re around people that aren’t reflecting back to you, those you know, things that you want to create more of in your life, then you have to take drastic measures sometimes to rearrange your environment is so important. And you have a loving supportive environment around you. So everything is just teeing you up to be able to do this and I also just want to reiterate that you can’t run this weight off, you can’t work at the gym to get this weight off.
Allyson McQuinn 1:10:04
Now, and I so appreciate you validating and reiterating that as well, because it’s so critical and crucial. Like a lot of patients actually use exercise to armor themselves under deck. I mean, you’ve heard of a runner, a marathon runner actually get to the finish line and have a heart attack. Well, that is an issue of inflammation that’s under decks, which actually is caused from the striations in the muscles that keep all that emotion under depths. And that’s the thing mine showed up as fat. But it could have just as easily showing up as you know, over musculature to hold all of that content at bay. And you know, you’ve served, I’m sure athletes as well. It’s like, whoa, wait a second, there’s something missing here. Something that’s not properly threaded, through all of their bodies, physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. Something’s not right. And we know, you know, athletes who love sugar, like crazy, it’s like, yeah, that’s causing inflammation. It’s only a matter of time before it shows up. What’s the mental emotional or miasmic? The genetic miasm that’s coming down the family line that’s contributing to this trauma for this person? Because if that’s the default, then, you know, do we eat to live? Or do we live to eat? Even if we’re really slim, and really fit? We still have, you know, that content puppeting us down in our Nether man that needs to be addressed?
Mary Beauchamp 1:11:50
Absolutely. Yeah, the ketogenic diet is, is for everyone that wants to optimize their health, whether they’re overweight or not. Yeah. And it’s such a profound practice, because it allows us to go into a state of autophagy or autophagy, where we’re actually cleaning house and doing a deep detoxification. And this doesn’t happen until we allow our metabolism to do what it was designed to do, which is to run off of two fuel sources, both fat, and glucose. And once you reach your goal weight, there’s a whole nother thing that has to happen. And, of course, you and I will have this conversation very soon. But things do need to change. And it’s a dynamic process. And it’s something that’s contextual. And it’s different for every single person that does it. Because everyone has a different reason for wanting to optimize their health. And they have different goals that they want to meet, maybe somebody has autoimmunity, or they have digestive issues, or they have X excess weight, they’re carrying whatever the thing is, it could be even a mental illness or anxiety, depression, a DD ADHD, schizophrenia, seizures, these are all great reasons to embrace a dietary change, a lifestyle change, and really looking at the deeper layers that contributed to that breakdown in the first place. And so I’m excited to work with anyone who’s brave enough to go there. And so I want to honor your time today, Ali, and thank you so much, again, for sharing this has been such an enriching process. And I know that so many people are going to learn amazing, inspiring things from what you’ve shared.
Allyson McQuinn 1:13:41
Not that it’s the right thing for everybody. But I just want to take a moment, my son, Jordan was in the autism spectrum, which was how I came to the system of medicine that I practice. If you want to look more into Heilkunst, the website where I trained was www.heilkunst.com, H, ei L, Kunst My website is www dot our kanem.ca or Kanem being a r c a n u m as a mother. So that’s how you can reach out if you want to stay in touch with me. But Jordan went on a GAPS diet with a lot of probiotics and so much of his health came back and, you know, by resolving the trauma of his vaccine injury, along with a genetic predisposition to those disease matrix, we were really able to get to the root cause and he came back online Mary it was like, a gift from God, I never imagined that diet contributed so much. And then of course, I started to really do a lot of research in that realm, as you also have 25 years ago. The other thing that I just impractical terms, what it came down for. And some of the greatest things that you furnished me with that made such a huge difference to my day to day life was that bone broth calmed my nervous system in ways that’s indescribable. In six months that I have been on this journey with you, I have never not had broth in my crock pot. Just to be clear, it is always there. Because if I falter or if I feel sad, or if I feel like I don’t have squat scaffolding, or I’ve chosen to do a fast for 2436 hours that day, the bone broth is like my mom. But I still rely on it to hold me in good stead. So that’s an ox tail. Bone broth is my favorite, just to be clear. The other thing that I love so much are the bone marrow, the long we call them through a tunnel here in Mexico is the long bones. That was the other thing that you got me on very early on. And just to take a spoon and scoop out a well seasoned marrow bone B phone long bone, oh, yeah, can start Angel singing within my metabolism and body. The other thing too, is just making sure I have enough and a lot of salt. I was the type of person that had a lot of leg cramps early on. And if I wasn’t getting enough water or salt, then I could be woken in the middle of the night with my toes balling up and just like leg crap from the foot all the way up the calf into my thigh, absolutely excruciating. So just to be mindful that on this approach, you know, especially working with Mary, she’ll tell you make sure you’re getting enough minerals in your diet. The other thing that you put us on was the magnesium citrate, which has helped so much. And we still like order that like a boss, you know, so magnesium citrate, and the potassium citrate has helped so much butter, I order it by the pounds, not just pound pounds, it lives in my fridge yellow and golden and beautiful. And so what I scooped out to cook things into my pan that does not have Teflon in it. There’s either pork fat or butter in that pan, before I fry up that well seasoned steak with some onions and mushrooms now. So super delicious eggs, we order them by the skid, just to be clear, you know, because eggs are a mainstay for us, I’m now getting a bit of cheese cream we ordered also by the bucket. And that goes into my matcha tea, my fat matcha in the morning with all my fats and all of my tallow because I’m rendering backfat who would ever thought and putting that into my you know, and the awesome thing is about those drinks in the morning as I don’t have to eat till one or two in the afternoon. And that means that that I’m really carried through the day, fully supported without the illusion of the scaffolding falling out from underneath me during the course of the day. So follow Mary, Mary as your your keto guru, she’ll take good care of you take, you know, come to the retreats in Mexico that she’s planning because I happen to be a little bird on her wall. I hear what kinds of things she’s up to read her book, for sure, for sure for sure. She’s actually coming on Monday, the 25th just speak to my whole professional association. One of my colleagues has even written a book on keto, which I actually wrote introductions to her other books. So yeah, we’re taking it all to a whole other level. mentally, emotionally, physically and spiritually. So thank you for the work that you’ve done in the research that you’ve done. Thank
Mary Beauchamp 1:19:01
you ally so much. And I will put the links to those places where people can find you ally in the notes, so people can be sure to to find them there and look you up if that feels like they’re called to do so. And I so appreciate you in so many ways and thank you for sharing your beautiful story with everyone. Such
Allyson McQuinn 1:19:26
My pleasure. Yeah, what an honor to hang out with you as always just in any capacity
Mary Beauchamp 1:19:38
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